I have a daughter involved in the new age. First she takes yoga now she's teaching yoga and chankra this and that. I have no clue what she's doing. Vegetarian and observing the new moon. Everytime I hear her talk, just makes me sick inside. But she's my daughter, I love her and I want her to know the truth and be set free by Jesus Christ. How do I minister and reach her?
TJ
Terry Jerome Autry
3 years ago
there are a lot of people turning to new age beliefs because they think they have all the answers and because they cant' see God physically. then they turn to spirit guides and demons posing as aliens. aliens are telling people deceitful lies and are tricking people to go into the new age movement, which is exact opposite of what the bible tells us to do. they are telling people that God is just some energy force or some other crazy nonsense and they tell people that jesus is one of them etc. these things are happening and because of this, we know we are in the latter days right before the rapture. on that note, after the rapture, i am sure these beings are going to be in full force and taking people to explain away the rapture. we are to stay away from this stuff and these teachings and evil beings are opposite of what God wants us to do. people are turning to the occult. even incorporating it into christianity which is sad. to give you a clear answer on how these evil beings are leading people astray, remember the heavens gate occult group that committed mass suicide trying to follow those beings etc. i will say this, i have read countless ufo abduction stories and they tell people different things to sway them, like where they come from etc. 2 Corinthians 11:14 tells us that “Satan disguises himself as an angel of light,” and thats what these beings are doing, persuading people to join the new age movement. God warns us to stay away from this. we are also told in the word of God that anyone or anything that teaches another gospel other than what was already preached about Christ, they are under God's curse.
Da
Dazzler1111
5 years ago
Hi brothers and sisters! I'm an ex neo-vedantic (hindu roots) new ager converted by the holy Spirit. 6 years ago I was led to the real Yahshua/Jesus Christ and everything changed - paradigm shifted. As a new ager I wasn't convinced but by the Light of Spirit turns out Jesus really is the Way, the truth and the Life just like He said; *no one* comes to God except through Jesus, there is no other way. I've been making videos on youtube but not getting the numbers of views I'd like for my work, I guess it's cos I don't stick my mug (face) on there and yabber on. I have my own style using my own words with Pictures and music. I have an uncommon and uncompromising perspective. Here's a link to a recent vid I made on the pressing matter of the DANGERS of meditation https://www.youtube.com/wat...
So far, I have had great fulfillment in the spiritualist arena. I have had my third eye opened.
The only thing is, I keep having visions and dreams of people disappearing ( the rapture ), and of bombs and rockets destroying everything around me!!! I see Russian soldiers invading the United States from the east coast, and Chinese soldiers invading the United States from the west coast. I also had a vision of a HUGE nuclear explosion where Washington D.C. and the surrounding states once were, followed by millions of people turning into bright little white lights and flying away fast!!! And I heard what sounded like a voice on an old A.M. radio say,.. . “and it was cut, and the they all flew away!!!”
These dreams are starting to SCARE me, and they are in perfect keeping with scripture. I always see the year 2022 flash across the reflective crystal in the back of my head ( the pineal gland — a.k.a, the third eye. ) I guess that’s what I get for wanting to see and know too much!!! The thing is, my dreams and visions are like those of tens of thousands of people in these last days!!!
If you don’t get right with God ( via Jesus ), you’re about to see some serious chit!!! No joke!!!
Hello,
I have not had a lot of time today to read thru all the comments but I am so grateful for this conversation. I am hoping someone(s) will take the time and respond to my questions. This is a bit lengthy so whatever you feel compelled to weigh in on is appreciated.
I am trying to understand why the God who created everything we see, hear, touch, breathe, smell, discover did not create the chakra system or yoga stretching/ aligning of the body as other things for us to discover, enjoy, use. If someone could address this I would really appreciate your perspective. I understand NOTHING should ever be placed in front of God but could it not be given as a gift and not an evil ploy or deity that exists and trying to confuse/ trick us? God's word speaks to having other gods, fortune telling, and the like. As with anything, if chakras, pilates, yoga (Christ centered being my focus) is a god to you like food, drugs, shopping, approval or anything else in our culture today then we are called to repent and turn from it. I grant you the line can be fine in many instances but I believe it exists. The same line exists with those eating to live and eating to forget, bury pain, etc..
I am not in any way suggesting it should be tied to any sort of mysticism or other religious system. It is the God who inspired the only living book written that I speak of. If we can separate good from bad in the Bible (David- heart after God/ murder and adulterer; Joseph being arrogant ,brothers lying, contemplating murder but sold him into slavery and who later came to him in need and were blessed/ Judah having our Messiah in his lineage) why can we apply that understanding of truth in other places? Did everything that happened outside of the chosen people's community equate to total evil that needs to be removed?
Was the chakra system part of a religious ceremony or was it used to understand and explain an unknown truth from a society much like ours with medical tech discoveries? What about the search to cure terrible illnesses and scientific discoveries using plants that were used in other cultures religious ceremonies (potentially)? Should we never use them to help our world? Isn't part of this about the heart and the intent which our omniscient God is aware of? If we believe God has calls us to do something and we were wrong does God despise the action (assuming it is within His law) and punish or does He like a good parent train, turn the child, love and educate them?
Guns can be used for good or evil; marijuana for those suffering or others looking for a high; taxes to help or harm communities, populations; the Bible to love, encourage, edify or to separate, tear apart, dominate and marginalize if used inappropriately? I love the Lord with all my heart, mind and soul and would never knowingly choose to step out of His will. I believe I use wisdom, knowledge, prayer and intuition that HE gives me to know if I am going down the wrong path. Please weigh in and share your thoughts. Thanks kindly in advance.
Blessings.
The problem with the New Age there is no verification. The vast amount of knowledge that has been placed into the world largely came from Helena Blavatsky through the Theosophical Society. It seems like truth, it COULD be true, but because of lack of verification there is no way of knowing.
Verification:
--independent sources attesting to the same thing.
The Gospel is much criticized by many in the New Age who claim later religious tradition altered it significantly. However source documents found only show what is available to us now in the New Testament was the SAME then.
As LITTLE as 2 to 5 years from Jesus' Resurrection, Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15, "...that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, ... and ...He was seen by over FIVE HUNDRED brethren at once..."
So already existed at the very dawn of Christianity; among other things; for example, persons believing in the sin atonement of Jesus.. not something added later by the Church.
And if we look at all of these other "masters" of the new age; saints as some of them may be, good influential persons as the were, NONE were seen alive after their death in the capacity Jesus Christ was. Jesus' Resurrection is proof He has the empowerment of GOD to be the ultimate sacrifice for our sins as claimed.
And by which scriptures was Paul referring to since the New Testament was not written yet? Perhaps the chapter of Isaiah 53 is the clearest of all :
"He is despised and rejected by men, A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.... Surely He has borne our griefs And carried our sorrows; Yet we esteemed Him stricken, Smitten by God, and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; ...Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, And He shall divide the spoil with the strong, Because He poured out His soul unto death,..."
Though verses referring to the resurrection of the Messiah in the Old Testament are more oblique, there is quite a bit of analysis regarding the Resurrection as a historical event, which would be accepted as actually happening by most people if the subject were not so unusual.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...
Moreover, which New Age gurus are performing public miracles that attest to THEIR credibility? Catholic saints are vetted in part by miracles:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religi...
And there is that controversial high profile evangelist in the 20's Aimee Semple McPherson; who received actual news coverage for faith healing by prominent news journalists. Skeptical reporters could not believe what they saw. Many newspapers required the names and address of such who claimed cures in their interviews and if you search the news archives coming online, yes, it is as biographer Daniel Mark Epstein wrote in his book Sister Aimee: The Life of Aimee Semple McPherson: "The healings present a monstrous obstacle to scientific historiography. If events transpired as newspapers, letters, and testimonials say they did, then Aimée Semple McPherson's healing ministry was miraculous... The documentation is overwhelming... She would point to heaven, to Christ the Great Healer and take no credit for the results p111." McPherson did not change the theology, she was upholding time honored Bible believing Gospel Christianity.
The point is the New Age attempts to change the world by claiming an ancient historical linage buttressed with a contemporary "progressive revelation," however, ....no miracles. McPherson and some others such as the Catholic recognized saints as well as others reminded people of the credibility and venerability of Christianity is not by stories alone; but by miracles validating that Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever.
http://www.christianpost.co... Pastor's Atheist Family Turned to Christ After Faith Healing Made Him Walk Again
I was accused of becoming a new age religious person by someone whom I fear is becoming a religious zealot. She is turning me against the church. I was told that only Christians can enter the gates of Heaven, I.e. Only Baptists and all others, Catholics, Church of God and other religions will go to Hell! I was shocked! How can this narrow minded person be a Christian??? She is so bigoted, full of hatred for others, it is frightening, yet she proclaims her Christianity to all who listen, but you may not say a word! I believe in goodness and I cannot see how a small sect of people are the only ones who will enter heaven.....if that is the case, I will stay with the vast majority that do good to others now and not spot hatred and bigotry. I am a white, female, married, southern woman and do not stand for her beliefs against others.
I was recently introduced to the teachings of the orthodox Christian church this past year. I was not raised in a religious home and I’ve been a new age professional for the last ten years. Dream interpretations, Astrology, psychic readings and energy work are my professional specialty. I’ve deeply believed in my work until recently. I found myself feeling empty and lost within my own guidance and I began having doubts I was on the right path. When I began reading about the Orthodox Church it felt like a homecoming and I am following this calling... however I’m terrified to leave my professional practice and of the criticism I may receive for doing so publicly. But I really feel called to do this. Any suggestions on how to tactfully but firmly to make this announcement to my friends, former clients and family that still fear organized religion? Thank you so much for this article. It’s what I needed at this time. Blessings! 🙏
I’m an ex new age spirituality and my first lesson out is God teaching me how to rest in Him and actually form a relationship with Him. I totally resonate with your article. I was raised in the church. I really didn’t know who Jesus was, but finding Him as an adult is way too real to deny. I have the power of the Holy Spirit. I know that if I eat from the living water, I will never go hungry or be thirsty. I feel that, I know what that means. That means studying the word, just like we did new age spirituality practices. New age is so much, it’s never ending, no real direction, and not real satisfaction. God is everlasting, forevermore, all mighty and powerful! The Devil won’t win, it just seems like he’s winning for now. 25% is not a joke. I feel bad for people just wanting to find God but God put people like us here as laborers of His word. We were supposed to go through this, the world needs people like us. We have to tell our story.
Da
danix_kamau
5 years ago
Thank you for this post. I have also been venturing into new age decisions, and I now realize that the rabbit hole gradually leads to destruction. Christ is the way, the truth, and the life.
BO
Brandi Ouellette
6 years ago
I'm wondering if anyone could help me with this terrible struggle I have been dealing with. I was decieved by someone who I worked with that told me Jesus was an extremly enlightened profit and this person over a period of 3 years convinced me to begin following new age teachings. I had a dream that he was the anti christ and should have listened. Eventually I began to believe him and experienced an extreme amount of terror from a vision that I encountered during a meditation practice. I felt a spirit surround my body and it scared the daylight out of me. After that I was diagnosed with bipolar hospitalized 3 times. And the list goes on. These past 4 years I have had an extreme amount of trauma but have been praying to Jesus to accept me back I have repented and asked the Holy Spirit to come into my heart and really meant it. I have completely turned my life around. I am back to work full time I stay sober quit smoking and stay away from sin as much as I possibly can. In the bible it says that apostasy is an unforgivable sin and I am terrified that I have gone to far to be forgiven by God. Has anyone else had this type of experience?
I'd like to share my son's journey with you. After being brought up in the Christian faith, in his mid twenties my son told me of his doubts that Christianity was the true religion and that he intended to explore other religions. I told him that I understood that he needed to explore these issues for himself but also stated that I had been on the same journey and was confident that Jesus was the only one who could offer real salvation to us. So off he went on his voyage of discovery while I sat back and prayed. After several months my son came to me and said, 'Mum, I know that John 3:16 is for me.'. I would also like to mention that at the time my son was taking drugs, had lost his licence because of drink driving, had some bad acquaintances and was also abusive, threatening and foul mouthed towards me. He looked lost to me but Jesus knew better and bought his lost lamb back into the fold. Hope this encourages those that feel helpless in the face of rebellion that God alone knows a person's heart and also the big picture concerning us all. Today my son is happily married with a lovely little boy of his own whose name is Eli!
MJ
Michael Jacobs
7 years ago
Thanks for sharing your story. My wife has immersed herself in "A Course In Miracles" and other similar books and now tells me a spirit that she believes is Jesus is talking with her. But the things this spirit says are contrary to Scripture and even "spoke" to her during last Sunday's service and refuted what the pastor was teaching. I'm very saddened and afraid for her. Although she attends church and small group with me, she never opens up to anyone about her thoughts, and after being exposed to the truth of Scripture, she fills herself with the New Age material as if to counter what she's heard. I love her but it's very difficult to not withdraw a little to protect my heart.
Tom
Thanks for that. But the thing is, I think I was oppressed for a looong time,but God led me through Godly people, but for some reason I find it hard knowing the Bible. There were times when I feel condemned in church. I think God was leading me to Jesus, but when the moment came, I think I have lost focus on Him and focused on my sin. When it finally wore me out, I thought to myself, that I should give up. I thought a very sinful thought but I was serious about it... And I kid you not, something out of this world happened. I had a vision and my heart beat so loud and so fast from that moment to the day after. What's weird is that, I couldn't feel anything, my brain was empty. I was just frozen. No love, just emptiness and anxiety. That never happened to me,ever. So here I am after a year... I thought, I'd just leave it up to God. If He decides to save me then great, and if not then I'd think that it's justice being served. I'm trying to fix my relationship with Christ, but there's a part of me that feels rejected and I'm at peace with that. I'm just thinking maybe God will draw me again.
Is there still hope for me though? Should I just let go and wait for God to draw me back? Thank youuu
Kara, thank you for describing God's loving intervention into your life and we too pray that your post will be read by others who have been misled into false religions that are opposed to God and His Word and quickly realize the errors they are making. Jesus warned us at Matthew 24:24 that in the "end times", false messiahs and false prophets will rise up and deceive even God's chosen ones. It is precisely for this reason that the article warns us that we must "live with Christ as the center of our lives" and be led by the Holy Spirit unto the spiritual truths that are found only in Scripture. Second Timothy 3:16 tells us that "All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right." So we compare our faith and beliefs with Scripture in order to avoid the risk of being gravely misled.
Eveline,
I did NOT have such an easy transition back to Christianity from New Age things as you did! But I am so glad you are back! And me too!!!
I had always believed myself to be a Christian and loved God, but during a long bout with illness and chronic pain, I began seeking treatment from alternative sources and ended up in a new age "medical" center, where I received new age counseling using guided imagery, essential oils, emdr, hypnosis and other things, as well as treatments including reike (DON'T DO THIS!!!), accupuncture, energy work and therapeutic massage of various origins. I had these treatments for a long time, during which I thought I was getting relief, but in truth the relief was very temporary then I'd start feeling worse! So I'd go back for more thinking that was the solution!
Over time I was getting sicker and sicker. Then I began getting strange and rare serious illneses, one after the other, until they culminated in me nearly dying! During this time, supernatural and frightening things began happening to me and in my home. It still took me a while longer to put the pieces together, but I finally realized what was going on! I believe Jesus opened my eyes to the truth! I stopped all treatments, repented, confessed and begged God for forgiveness. Slowly things began getting better. MY pain eased up, my health improved and the supernatural things dieed down.
I have since been "Saved" and changed. I read the Bible. I have a much closer relationship with Jesus and God. I got rid of everything in my house that was new age-ish (or related to other religions), like crystals, Feng shut books, certain figurines, etc.
I thank God for showing me the truth, even if I did have to suffer leading up to that. Evil is real! False Gods (like those related to buddhism, islam, etc.) truly offend our Heavenly Father, the One and Only true God!
New age, energy work, including chakras, auras, reike, pilates, things like karate and other martial arts, meditation (unless it's on God's Word), accupunture, and many others have their roots in the occult or ancient religions that go against God's Word and Christianity!
You are very lucky you didn't suffer or encounter evil for getting involved in that stuff and I'm so happy you are back (and me too!), and I pray that anyone who reads this stops those things which are offensive to God Almighty, and that they return to the ONLY true faith, the ONLY faith that matters, and the ONLY faith which, through belief that Jesus died for our sins, was resurrected and is seated in Heaven next to God Almighty...is the ONLY way to Heaven!
GOD BLESSINGS You.
Carole, I am so very sorry to learn about your friend's deception and her moving to a set of "new age beliefs" and understand why your heart aches. We can certainly pray that she will soon have an experience like Eveline Maedel did, "realizing that none of this New Age was filling me up. Spiritually, I was empty."
There is a spiritual battle going on in your friend's life but Jesus' death and resurrection defeated Satan once and for all (Hebrews 2:14). By being aware of Satan's evil influences and knowing that he no longer has any power over our lives, we can proactively pray against spiritual evils without fear, because Jesus, strong and mighty with all authority in heaven and earth (Matt 28:18), is always with us and will never forsake us (Heb 13:5).
Carole, please continue to be best friends so that as she sees the beauty of Christ in you , she will come back as a stronger Christian.
"Heavenly Father, You have invited us to come to Your Throne of Grace to find help in our troubles and Carol's best friend has fallen prey to a set of false and deceptive beliefs. We know that Jesus is the way and the truth and that He has all authority in heaven and earth. And so it is in His name that we pray that Carole's friend realize that she has fallen for lies and quickly come back to the truth. And Lord, when she comes back to your way, give her a great spiritual purpose in life so that she will seek first Your kingdom and Your righteousness and honor You forever. We ask for this in the powerful name of Jesus. Amen."
Hello: I found this website after Googling "when Christian converts to new age" because a close friend of mine has just recently done that... I am so heartbroken for her... She is being deceived and doesn't even realize it! Thank you for sharing your testimony and all the comments. With fervent prayer to the Lord, He *will* bring her back to Himself! Thank you... my heart aches... :-(
Jill—
It sounds like you could use a healthy dose of understanding about God's love for you.
God is so great, so awesome, so powerful and all-knowing that he "spoke" and the entire universe came into existence. The size and scope of what he created is beyond understanding. Yet, in the middle of all that immensity, he created this tiny little planet and breathed life into the creatures he also created. He made man and woman. And even though they rebelled against his authority, and we rebel against his authority, and are only the tiniest specks in all the universe, he still loves us so much that he sent his own perfect son to become a man and be hideously murdered so that we could once again have sweet fellowship with him. Stop reading this for a moment and think about what love that is.
And you know what Jill? If you were the only person who ever sinned against God, he still would have had his son die for you. Can you feel the love?
It is commonly said that God takes us just as we are. In other words, we don't have to work or strive to earn his good favor. He already loves us even though we're lawbreakers by his standards. We need only "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and (we) will be saved." (Acts 16:31). Believe in Jesus; trust in Jesus as your one and only savior. Peter reminds us that God doesn't want anyone to perish, but that all would come to repentance. (2 Peter 3:9) He made you and he wants for you to live forever with him in glory. Too many people over-think salvation. Too many people allow Satan to deceive them into thinking, "Did God really say (such and such)."
All of the things you've experienced, and all the difficulties you've faced—you need only take those things to Jesus. "Come to me all you who are weary and heavy-laden and I will give you rest" said Jesus. (Matthew 11:28) That's what you need Jill—to simply rest in Jesus. Believe in him; trust in him; rest in him. He has made it a point to save the worst of sinners. He wants to save you too.
Janette--
To which "cults" are you referring?
to Janette I am sure the bible was written by Godly men and women and didn't write the new age readings I am sad for you for not believing in a God who loves you and died for you so you can have life in HIM Sharon
OMG you went from one evil cult to another. They are the SAME. Same beings who wrote the bible have the new age. I cant believe you cannot see this.... there is so much out there to show you. My heart is sad.
Jill--
If you have been born again spiritually--trusted in Jesus Christ as savior--then the Holy Spirit has come to permanently indwell you. Ephesians 1:13, "In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation-- having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise."
This is why it's critical not to live by feelings, but by God's promises. Feelings will change with the circumstances. God's promises are permanent and true.
Look at 1 Peter 1:3-5: "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." Sounds pretty permanent, doesn't it?
When you stray from the Lord, confess your sins to him. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9. God loves his children and will always be there to clean us up when we fall in the mud.
I just read the comments.
Tom is right, Crisha...
Thank you... I'm very confused and struggling right now and needs aome reassurance. Do you think that when the Hoky Spirit leaves, He will come back? I think I have grieved Him deeply. I felt Him leave. Like a white light coming out from me. And afterwards I just felt empty inside. Is there still hope or am I condemned forever? For some reason it's easier to believe that it's over for me... because that's what it seems like at the moment.
Crisha—
It is obvious you have given much time and thought to your beliefs, and I thank you for answering my questions. However, I'm very concerned about a number of things you wrote.
If any "clarity has come to (me) through (your) response," it is that you have been, and are being, deceived into believing things that are outside biblical revelation and even contrary to what the Bible teaches. I hear in your words portions of pantheism, Hinduism, and New Age teachings. And while I don't profess to be an expert on these religions, my spirit (which is guided as a believer by the Holy Spirit of God) was immediately uneasy with many things you wrote. To wit:
While no one can dispute your personal "experiences" as things you hold dear and to be true, I would suggest that experiences are not necessarily the truth. Dreams and visions, for example, can just as easily come to a person through the workings of Satan, the great deceiver, as they can through God.
You speak of a "higher place from within," as if every person has some ability to know God on a higher plane than what he has revealed of himself in scripture. While that may sound "spiritual," it also sounds very much like Satan speaking to Eve in the Garden when he told her, "For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
You say, "I deny that he (Jesus) is to be worshipped as greater than us." Since Jesus is God in human flesh, if one does not worship Jesus, then they are not worshipping God. What's more, if you are not trusting in his virgin birth as God incarnate, and are denying he was sent specifically to die for your sins, then you cannot be saved. One is only a child of God when they believe in and trust the Lord Jesus (John 1:12). Until then, they are children of Satan. Even if you believe Jesus to be God incarnate, saying that he is not greater than us (from a positional and spiritual standpoint) is simply blasphemy, and again mimics Satan's words to Eve.
You say, ". . . our words are God inspired according to our own revelations." This seems to indicate that anyone can convey extra-biblical revelations, assuming they have a certain closeness to God. But this, too, is contradictory to the closed revelations God has given us in the completed canon, and places us on a par with Jesus Christ and therefore God himself.
It is not hard to sense a great deal of self-worth and pride in what you've written, rather than a humble admittance that God (and Jesus) is God, and we are not. Galatians 6:3 says, "For if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself." Man is lost in his sins, and there is nothing we can do short of trusting in the Lord Jesus Christ to save us. Man is not an equal to God or to Jesus, and it is the lie of Satan to believe that we are. And while "enlightenment" can be a good thing, that enlightenment never comes from within one's self, but from the Bible and the Holy Spirit only. If you're saying that there are other God-inspired "sacred texts" besides the Bible, then you are placing mere man's writings on a par with the Bible. This shows a lack of true understanding on your part, and a need to repent, confess, and turn to Jesus Christ as the true Lord of your life.
Crisha, while I can't expect you to agree with all I've written, my hope is that others reading these posts will realize that one does not have to be some sort of spiritual giant, seeking for "enlightenment," in order to understand what God wants us to understand. Believing and trusting in Jesus Christ as God in human form, having been born without sin and living a sinless life, being crucified for our sins, buried, and raised again as victor over death and sin, are everything one needs to know to be saved and to become a child of God.
Answers to Tom-
It came from a higher place from within. At a point in my life where I had nothing but my faith I looked into the inspired words of the bible and saw truth in a more empowering light. This was then backed up through miracles that began to take place in my life as a result. Healings, peace and a oneness with God I had never felt in all my years as a "Christian" I am one that had been bless from a child with visions and dreams that come to pass. A vision confirmed this new enlightenment with Jesus statement saying the kingdom of God is within you. That we are the sons of God. and that when we see him we see the father (this is because just as jesus we all are the reflection and extention of the ultimate source of this world). That take your cross and follow me was to follow in his way, his understanding, his revelation, not in worship to the Man Jesus.
I deny that he is to be worshipped as greater than us. I embrace that he is to be honored as incarnated revelation of the christ within all of us. That gratitude should be given to him for the revelation and the reconnection of our souls mind back to an understanding of who we are. You also have to understand that the virgin birth story as been told is multiple religions even before Christianity. It is the portion of scripture that is to be taken as written recordings from the enlightenment of the men of that day. Yes it is inspired! Yes it is the word of God. Why because all of humanity is an expression of God itself and therefore our words are God inspired according to our own revelations. I could not turn my back on him because my worship to his was enlightened and has evolved to a true understanding of him, of which we all still do not understand in its entirety. The christ is my guide and my knowledge of the fact that I am an extension of source is directly become of Jesus, I love him for that.
I think I answered some of this in the last section but would like to say that all sacred text is a revealed word of God to mankind to find our truth and our God expression. If you ever study religion or spiritual practice seeking God you will come to understand it all is about enlightenment. For example, to the men of that day heavens where the clouds (literally) they had no knowledge of the stars and planets and magnitude of the universe as we do today. There are other examples but this post is already long.
I hope clarity has come to you through my response. I encourage you to hold tight to your faith and if all this sounds erroneous it is ok, your purpose may be to reveal Jesus to all and mine has evolved to reveal his greater intent. Both are divine and perfect in the presence of God we all seek the same a connection with the source that created us to give us joy, love and peace in this experience. God Bless.
Answers to Tom-
You asked: "You say you "spent years in the christian (sic) faith . . ." "and when enlightement (sic) came". . . Exactly what do you mean by "enlightenment"? From where did it come?"
My answer: It came from a higher place from within. At a point in my life where I had nothing but my faith I looked into the inspired words of the bible and saw truth in a more empowering light. This was then backed up through miracles that began to take place in my life as a result. Healings, peace and a oneness with God I had never felt in all my years as a "Christian" I am one that had been bless from a child with visions and dreams that come to pass. A vision confirmed this new enlightenment with Jesus statement saying the kingdom of God is within you. That we are the sons of God. and that when we see him we see the father (this is because just as jesus we all are the reflection and extention of the ultimate source of this world). That take your cross and follow me was to follow in his way, his understanding, his revelation, not in worship to the Man Jesus.
You asked: Since being a Christian is to be a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ, the virgin-born Son of God and creator of all things, are you saying that you now deny those things and have turned your back on him as such? If so, in what are you placing your faith for eternal life with God after you die?
I deny that he is to be worshipped as greater than us. I embrace that he is to be honored as incarnated revelation of the christ within all of us. That gratitude should be given to him for the revelation and the reconnection of our souls mind back to an understanding of who we are. You also have to understand that the virgin birth story as been told is multiple religions even before Christianity. It is the portion of scripture that is to be taken as written recordings from the enlightenment of the men of that day. Yes it is inspired! Yes it is the word of God. Why because all of humanity is an expression of God itself and therefore our words are God inspired according to our own revelations. I could not turn my back on him because my worship to his was enlighten and has evolved to a true understanding of him, of which we all still do not understand in its entirety. The christ is my guide and my knowledge of the fact that I am an extension of source is directly become of Jesus, I love him for that.
You asked: You say the Bible "is misinterpreted to make it focus on him." Could you please give some specific misinterpretations as examples? You also state, "The bible is a collection of teachings that express the enlightment of the men of that day." How did you come to that conclusion? Are you then denying that the Bible is the revealed Word of God to mankind?
I think I answered some of this in the last section but would like to say that all sacred text is a revealed word of God to mankind to find our truth and our God expression. If you ever study religion or spiritual practice seeking God you will come to understand it all is about enlightment. For example, to the men of that day heavens where the clouds (literally) they had no knowledge of the stars and planets and magnitude of the universe as we do today. There are other examples but this post is already long.
I hope clarity has come to you through my response. I encourage you to hold tight to your faith and if all this sounds erroneous it is ok, your purpose may be to reveal Jesus to all and mine has evolved to reveal his greater intent. Both are divine and perfect in the presence of God we all seek the same a connection with the source that created us to give us joy, love and peace in this experience. God Bless.
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I feel lost and I need a divine appointment to guide me I know that there is a time for everything , but now I feel so lost and unmotivated . I attended a church and I felt the Holy Spirit as I cried and since then I have felt more lost than found
Since I was a young girl I was religious. Getting older I had to find a reason for everything I thought maybe I was to do it all myself , be better without any help because I had all I needed within; since I was made in Gods image. I was becoming more New Age without realizing it. Things I have practiced before even discovering New Age was almost natural to me. Energy Healing for example. Well I am here because I find myself so confused and I need answers. I always thought I had a connection with God. And I thought well if Jeuss did it so can we, then does that make his a normal person just like us ? but he reached Christ consciousness and we can too. I find it hard to label myself Christian or follow religion. I find it kind of odd to be completely honest and I don't feel so open to it as I'd love to be .
I think I think too much in this area
Crisha—
There are several things in your post that I'm very curious about.
You say you "spent years in the christian (sic) faith . . ." "and when enlightement (sic) came". . . Exactly what do you mean by "enlightenment"? From where did it come?
Since being a Christian is to be a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ, the virgin-born Son of God and creator of all things, are you saying that you now deny those things and have turned your back on him as such? If so, in what are you placing your faith for eternal life with God after you die?
You say the Bible "is misinterpreted to make it focus on him." Could you please give some specific misinterpretations as examples? You also state, "The bible is a collection of teachings that express the enlightment of the men of that day." How did you come to that conclusion? Are you then denying that the Bible is the revealed Word of God to mankind?
It is hard for people to let go of tradition. Especially when their views are so isolated. New age opens that isolation. You believe in Jesus because you 'believe' it's the law of the universe. You feel changed by Jesus because his enlightenment was so impactful it reached beyond the realm of his time. He is the founder of new thought itself, literally. The bible is misinterpreted to make it focus on him. The bible is a collection of teachings that express the enlightment of the men of that day. Now you ignore the enlightment of today because you are afraid to let go. You didn't go back to christianity because new age or new thought was unfulfilling. You went back because it's easier to look to someone else for help or as a savior than it is to look within yourself. I spent years in the christian faith, a minister and teacher of the faith and when enlightement came it was a breathe of fresh air. I honor the power and presence of the christ in me because the christ is within us all but Jesus was just a man who reached the highest state of enlightment in history and shared it with the world. Most people aspire to that but never obtain and therefore create a figure to worship. But I say this. if it works for you to be a christian then be a christian because any form of spiritual enlightenment is better than none at all. God bless and let the universe serve you.
Kevin—
I read and reread your post with interest because there are some points in it that I'm confused about. Maybe you could clarify because many things you say seem to blur the difference between biblical Christianity and New Age beliefs. You seem to be trying to meld the two together.
You mention using the Bible as an aid for guidance, but several of your thoughts are contrary to what scripture teaches. Is this also an attempt to reconcile New Age with Christianity?
You also make statements regarding how true Christians must go through some sort of tribulation, then refer to millennialism. Are you saying that all earthly trials and struggles are designed to lead a person to the truth?
When you say that you "surrendered" to the Lord, what exactly do you mean? And why would your losing everything be indicative of surrender?
I attended church with my family and children for over 15 years and just seemed to go through the motions. When I did finally hit a major obstacle I needed to reach out and get serious with my forgiveness prayer to Jesus. What changed in me was when I actually surrendered fully to see what would happen. Over the years, I did go through this same new age following with Buddhism and others. I now consider all of that Christ's way to show me the different layers of spirit within the spirit realm in order to understand why the Christ realm is different from the others. The Bible became the way to associate what questions I had during this process and much later by understanding that all true Christians must go through a full tribulation in order to understand how to increase into their glorified bodies and into the higher consciousness of the Christ realm. The rapture in reality is the increase in consciousness that is given by Jesus at the appropriate time in the process (pre, mid, or post) depending on each individual case and the sincerity of their search. This is why a full tribulation must be had to proceed past the falsehoods given and learned in our fallen state lower consciousness world that we all start in. I will say, that in complete surrender, I lost my SVP titles, got divorced, lost my house and condo, and even had my car repossessed. I did lose everything including 401 savings although I made it through because of everything that continued to happen during this time that allowed me peace in the process. That is what true Christianity is all about. Attending weekly church has nothing to do with it. I'm afraid many will remain stuck not knowing the actual process and working through it. May God bless all those with enough faith to get through their tribulation before final judgment takes that last effort away from them to get into higher consciousness and a continuation of learning in peace with others in their glorified bodies.
Hi Telelia, I appreciate your emphasis on the names of God because Hebrew names give us insight into the character of individuals. The names of God given in the Bible help us to understand His nature. So a name like Adonai is used to reveal His sovereign authority over all things since, as you point out, it means Master or Lord. Adonai is the plural form of Adon and both forms are used to refer to other beings and not just God. An example would be the angels who were sent to rescue Lot and his family from the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah were addressed by Lot as 'lords' 'adonai' (Genesis 19:18) 'El' and its plural form 'Elohim' are similarly used both as title for deities and as a name for God. The Creation account in Genesis uses 'Elohim' when it says, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth." (Genesis 1:1) Here is is using 'Elohim' as the name of God rather than just a generic title for a deity. So calling the supreme creator of the universe 'God' is more than just using a title for Him but it is actually His name as well.
The interesting thing is that same grammatical structure used to describe God's creation is repeated in John's Gospel and clearly referring to Jesus, "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God...All things were made through Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made...And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen His glory, glory as of the only Sin from the Father" (John 1:1,3,14) This is just one of the places where we understand that Jesus is Adonai, Elohim, Yahweh, God.
Can I ask you why you feel that the Bible is just another book? If it has no divine inspiration how do you explain the accuracy of prophecy that is contained within it's pages? I could point to many instances in the Old Testament that describe what were for the prophet, future events, but for us are history like Daniel's description of the Gentile empires that would rule over the land of Israel. The description of the rise and fall of the Babylonian, Persian, Greek and Roman Empire are specific and clear even though they were written many years before the Babylonian Empire ever fell. Who but Adonai could have inspired such insight?
Telelia—
Obsessive? About names? It would seem you are. And I would absolutely agree that your obsession is a direct result of your "dabbling" in satanic things, spirits, rather than pursuing the truth of Creator God.
Much of what you wrote can be addressed directly, such as the names of God, the validity of the Bible, who Jesus is, etc., but keeping things simple, let me just ask you this—after what are you seeking? The truth? Eternal life? The one true God? How to be right with God?
I'm with Nigel- I felt like I lost my faith throughout high school- and I do practice many new-age things; I've dabbled in tarot and other cards, meditations, etc- some of which you can think of as meditaion ~ prayer.
However- I struggle as defining myself as christian- I don't go to church, I'm not mainstream. The bible is another book to me- it was written by man and edited by the church. It feels like a shell of what it used to be. Shoot even names are edited [ Lucifer is latin- what was his real name?]
Yet.. I still talk to and pray to Adonai [ the abrahamic god- simply saying god isn't enough for me. there are many gods out there- as in whoever you put first is a god essentially in your life] and I wish other christians would address him by his name. Adonai, Yahweh, Jehovan, etc- there are many. They each are true. And he talks right back. I find our relationship extremely healthy. Yet... I don't know a thing about Jesus. Every prayer I hear that starts with Jesus I tune out- it doesn't ring anything to me, doesn't do anything. That's what I mean by not being mainstream christian- they all talk about Jesus like he's the pure water in the desert. And for me? It's all about Adonai. Adonai is my spiritual guide father, aegis, sentinel, teacher. he is the one who holds my hand, or swats me when I'm doing bad. And it tears me up because I keep hearing how you are condemned to damnation because you don't believe/talk to/have a relationship with Jesus.
BTW I do find it a bit hypocritical about Jesus- everybody says Jesus Christ, etc, the Reedemer- yet I have talked to many people who claim to be christian and the moment I say Adonai nobody knows who I'm talking about- and it upsets me. Deeply. Like.. to the point it disturbs me. I feel obsessive about this btw. Like... I can't begin to explain.
However- my obession with names started when I felt that when I talked to spirits- i needed to be more specific- and about the verse "do not take the Lord's name in Vain" and was always told that the Lord's name was God- when god is simply a title. Just.. obsessive.
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to tom thank you that the only thing I could think of I know its not a good analogy good analogy you came up with God bless-- sharon
While no analogy of the trinity is perfect, ice-water-snow is rather poor because no two of them exists at the same time the way God as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit do.
A better analogy I've heard that also deals with God's own creation is space-time-matter. In total they make up everything in the universe, while each is separate but cannot exist without the others.
to Nigel good comment and thank you for it for the Trinty think of the triune God as water, ice and snow all three of them are water. talking to God is like talking to a person and I would think most Christians are genuine in their faith and the clergy too I am praying for you. Sharon
I have had some of your experiences, with the exception of getting involved with anything remotely New Age. I lost my faith (or so I thought) and when I regained it (12 viewers later) I thought I would go back to being a Christian. Although I've been to very many different churches, the ritual never seems the right way to worship God, the doctrine rings hollow and I content myself with sharing some kind of worship with people who I believe worship the same God as me. It's no good quoting the Bible at me, as it remains just another book. I've tried reading various books suggested by Christians and some of them have had a deleterious effect! I thought about the prayer that you have, above, and realised that I couldn't repeat the words and have them feel genuine. I would be doing something as silly as trying to lie to God. I have a sense of spiritual oneness that appears to tie in with many of the experiences of Christians who have a personal relationship with God, the only difference being that Jesus isn't in there and I can't help thinking of the concept of the Trinity as a thinly disguised polytheism (adopted as doctrine, somewhat reluctantly, at the Treaty of Nicaea). I have also seen what Christianity does to some people. I have spoken to clergyman who are quite transparent in the way that they try to manipulate other people's thinking. Shared worship remains a bit of a problem for me… both monotheistand heathen.
I have examined the various ways in which people become Christians and it has become apparent to me that divine intervention or grace plays an indispensable role in this. Taking some heart from this, I have come to the conclusion that God will make me into a Christian, if he wants me to be one. I pray nightly that God will change me in any way that he finds pleasing… sometimes I feel that the process of me feeling so I lost my faith was very important part of my spiritual development, essentially cleansing me a dogma and doctrine of Christianity. Please excuse any typographical errors, I'm blind and this was written using speech recognition software.
Dear Itumeleng, God in His wisdom made mankind with the ability to chose. If we had been made to be mere puppets (with no free choice) than God would miss the pleasure of us "wanting to serve Him". We are powerful in that we are able to determine our own destiny. The powers of darkness are there so that we MUST make a choice ---- to serve them or Holy God. When the angel, Lucifer, fell (in deciding to oppose God) he set up his own little kingdom, as you say. Lucifer, the Devil, is not able to directly hurt God, so he works at causing mankind to fall, which indirectly hurts God. So, the war goes on, and we (the "apple of God's eye") are caught in the middle of it!
You, Ituseleng, say that the Creator had to come and live and die like we do. Yes, in His great love for mankind, Jesus came to show us how to live, and then suffered so that none of us could ever say "He does not understand". I count the Salvation Plan a miracle by design: we read in 1 Cor 15:21-23 "For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive." Also, it says in 1 Cor 15:45 "And so it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit." NKJV. Jesus was that "last Adam"! Now I'm waiting for HIS return to rapture His people!
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Itumeleng
10 years ago
There's something people forget to remember, and that thing is so powerful that it pull Good and evil, God and devil towards it, all this supernatural beings die,rebel and live to gain this one thing. The God who created everything had to kneel,suffer pain and submit to death for the sake of this one being. Even that liar who was once a beauty creature of God,had to rebel when he heard the plans God has for this one being. Even it goes against itself. This being can mimic God by creating its small heaven on earth, creating the world out of earth,bringing the supernatural into the physical world e.g(wireless communication). This same being also surprised God and made Him to repent(Gen 6:6). Even God almighty had to frustrate this beings from building a tower of babel(Gen 11:4-9). Entlek what's so special about HUMAN BEINGS?
Nathan--
I would suggest that the only definitive way to have the "third eye" go away would be to have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit of God. Any other source of direction in one's life is of Satanic nature and is contrary to God.
If you will believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and trust in him alone to save you, you will be Holy Spirit indwelt.
NM
nathan marlowe
10 years ago
dose the feeling of the third eye ever go away
Miguel--
Also, the Bible says over and over again such things as "The LORD said," and The LORD spoke saying." No other book has direct quotations attributed to God Himself.
Miguel--
The verse I quoted from 2 Peter specifically tells us how the Bible came to be. "But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God."
As far as those people without Bible access--consider this:
Man is sinful. There is not a single person on earth who hasn't sinned against God in one way or another. Every person has broken God's law and is therefore under His condemnation. Without faith and trust in Jesus Christ, there simply cannot be forgiveness of that sin. God will only accept the blood sacrifice of a perfect man, which is why he had to send his own perfect son, Jesus, to become a man to die for our sins. Acts 4:12 states, "God has made the one and only way to be reconciled to him, and that is through Jesus Christ." Therefore, those who have not yet heard of Jesus will simply be judged according to their own sin. That is why Christianity has been spread by the words of those missionaries throughout the centuries who have faithfully carried the gospel of Jesus Christ to the far ends of the world. I always tell people who are concerned about those who have never heard, "If you are so concerned for them, become a Christian and go and tell them before it is too late."
"We know that the Bible was physically written down by holy men who were moved and directed by the Holy Spirit to convey God's truths to us". How do you know they were Holy men? How do you know they were directed by the Holy Spirit and not other kind of spirit with an agenda?
And again, what about people who has no access to the Bible? What could they do?
Miguel—
We know that the Bible was physically written down by holy men who were moved and directed by the Holy Spirit to convey God's truths to us. 2 Peter 1:20-21 tells us, "But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God." We learn in John 1:1 that Jesus IS the Word of God and so all scripture comes from the Word of God, Jesus. The tri-une God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit act in unison in so many ways. That's what makes scripture literally ALIVE. ("All Scripture is inspired by God (inspired means "God-breathed") and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3:16. The Bible takes on living qualities in its makeup and function and its impact and influence on mankind goes far beyond what any man-written book has ever done.
It is a common misconception that the Bible has been changed, but that is not true. Unlike man-made religious books like the Book of Mormon (3,913 revisions and changes) or the Koran (which was subjectively chosen by Muhammed from at least three different versions in circulation at the time), the Bible we have today is the Bible the first century read. Considering that it is God's Word to us, the same God who created all things is perfectly capable of preserving his Word to us. It was only after the Gnostics started writing falsehoods about Jesus that the church fathers came together in the 4th century A.D. to carefully consider those writings and deny their authenticity.
One of the wonderful beauties of the Bible is that it has stood 2,000 years of higher criticism and careful examination and has never been proven to be anything other than what it is—the Word of God.
Thank you Tom, this was so helpful!
Now, what gives the Bible this superior authority if Jesus didn't write it? Also, it has been changed several times along history by those in power, so how do you know it hasn't changed some of its original meaning? And what about people that has no access to it?
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Again, thank you a lot.